Below is a philosophical exchange I had with a materialistic thinker on a site called Quora where people can ask and answer various questions. I have anonymized the exchange to lift it out of the personal at the suggestion of a reader.
What problems have arisen in medicine in the past 5 years?
The real trend is the dehumanizing of medicine. Evidence based medicine is problematic in that though it is a useful tool, epistemologically it is just a framework for viewing. The Euclidian framework had to be surpassed to understand many modern issues in physics. Materialism can’t truly heal as it can’t understand life. It can become highly technical but how to apply this in a human and healing way? This is our modern issue in medicine.Interlocutor 1
Materialism is all that actually exists. Science is the only way to know what medicine works.
The fact that we think and can have a discussion proves that there is more to the world than matter. How can a twitch perceive itself?
I agree with your second point. I propose there can be a science of the spirit.Interlocutor 1
No it doesn’t. The fact that we can think is evidence that we can think. Nothing beyond the brain is required to explain thought. That’s just an appeal to ignorance.
The track of logical thought follows it’s own rules inherent in the thinking. One does not think rationally due to synapses firing-fire one way or another we know logic, math, and train of thought to relate due to the content of our thoughts. It is related to the brain only in that we need a brain to experience this thought. It is a logical fallacy to equate causality where there is only Co – incidence. Even if that Co incidence is necessary for the experience.
There is no evidence of anything besides the brain being involved in thought. Nothing beyond the brain is needed to explain thought. There is tons of evidence that the mind is what the brain does. Dualism is discredited and unnecessary.
Your assertions lack any evidence or prior plausibility.
You may freely create the evidence by thinking!Interlocutor 1
It doesn’t work that way.
I agree that dualism is unnecessary. You seem to place a lot of faith in the power of thought, friend. To say “It doesn’t work that way” implies some certainty. If thinking is some excretion of matter and follows the matter’s rules, not it’s own, then I would trust thinking as much as a corporate controlled media. But thought can be known and seen to follow rules internal to the thoughts. You disagreeing only proves this to be the case.Interlocutor 1
I have no idea what that word salad even means.
It is important to note that materialism that only affects thinking is at least initially quite benign. Once materialism affects the feeling life this affects human health and human endeavors and the nihilism that is materialism’s fruit has a stunting effect on the feeling life of the soul but an absolutely tragic effect on the will and the entire cosmos. Many materialists have materialism that only affects their thinking and they bear as a gift of prior earthly lives the fruits of a strong life of the spirit!
My discourse is as close to Rudolf Steiner’s Philosophy of Freedom as possible. If we are faithful thinkers we can see that by considering prayers, meditation, homeopathy and other complimentary therapies to have absolutely no possibility of working because only matter can work in the world, then we slam a door to the spiritual world, at least in thought. It is sad to me that the result of this conversation was only a “does not compute” from my partner in discourse. It is my hope that it can enlighten others. Though many complementary medicines work only Anthroposophic spiritual science offers a bridge from the one world to the other that works for my admittedly Western mind. However, one still needs an open mind and good will to cross that bridge.
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Thank you for this post, the whole website, and for your efforts in responding to the other thinker. We need thinkers like him to acknowledge Anthroposophy and come to it. Small steps by small steps we can make impact!
Personally I find it’s easier to talk to materialistic thinkers from out of Part 2 of Philosophy of Freedom, rather than Part 1 as you tried here. For example, for me personally, I find it unnecessary to me to have faith or believe in spiritual truths, such as spirit rather than the brain behind thinking, if I don’t find that my life would be meaningless if I hold tight to a materialistic viewpoint. Because, for me, I want my life to be meaningful, so I started to believe. Part 2 of the book talks about more practical things out of which may be easier to approach, or awaken perhaps, outsiders.
Just some thoughts… Thank you.
Congratulations, Dr. Mark, for your effort to engage with this writer, though I wonder what you thought might come of it in a positive way, at least for him. 🙂
Still, I appreciate the depth and commitment in the thoughts you expressed!